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This is the transcript of the chat after the Virtually Speaking Science show I did with Alan Boyle.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtually-speaking-science/2013/08/08/alan-boyle-yr-1-curiosity-on-mars

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[16:55]  Archivist Llewellyn: Hi Patio

[16:55] ¬†Archivist Llewellyn: Hi Alan Boyle ūüôā

[16:56] ¬†Albert Gainsbourg: (The theme from “My farovite Martian.) :=))

[16:56]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: Albert Gainsbourg, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[16:56]  AlanJBoyle Resident: Sorry for walking over people ;-)\

[16:58]  Widget Whiteberry: 2 min

[16:58]  Widget Whiteberry: prepare to toggle or refresh

[17:00]  Albert Gainsbourg: Bingo!!!

[17:00]  Widget Whiteberry: and we are live

[17:01]  Albert Gainsbourg: I have a good feed to audio.

[17:01]  Widget Whiteberry: alan sounds good

[17:01]  Widget Whiteberry: welcome everyone

[17:01]  Patio Plasma: listen in media turn off music

[17:01]  Widget Whiteberry: listen on audio or media channel or Рto open your browser Рclick on the BTR button on stage

[17:01]  Widget Whiteberry: Patio, we are feeding through both channels

[17:01]  Albert Gainsbourg whispers: Music chanel has the autio too.

[17:02]  Albert Gainsbourg: Channel

[17:02]  Widget Whiteberry: Precede questions with QUESTION (caps) to make them easy to spot

[17:03]  Patio Plasma: I guess I heard music before it switched

[17:03]  Albert Gainsbourg: :=))

[17:05]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: CB Axel, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[17:06]  Widget Whiteberry: Hey CB, welcome

[17:06]  Chat Range: DougTurnbull Resident [10m]

[17:06]  Widget Whiteberry: Bau! gtsy

[17:07] ¬†Bau Ur: ūüôā

[17:09]  Abiss interior Barca Chair РWhite L whispers: Hi Quirk Sugarplum! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.

[17:10]  Abiss interior Barca Chair РWhite L whispers: Hi Ozymandias Zehetbauer! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.

[17:12] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: Please IM me if you would like an invitation to the Exploratorium group …

[17:13]  Albert Gainsbourg: Rest stops at least.

[17:14]  Patio Plasma: QUESTION do they sample the surroundings many times a day with the Laser ?

[17:16] ¬†JackZizzler Resident: There is absolutely no substitute for actually being there, eh? ūüôā

[17:16]  Albert Gainsbourg: QUESTION: Will there be anyway to determine prehistorical Solar cycles?

[17:17]  Albert Gainsbourg: Probably not. Cycles way too short.

[17:19]  Curious George: Hello, everyone

[17:19]  Bau Ur: Hello! Good to see you, Curious!!

[17:20]  Patio Plasma: Thanks re ChemCam laser answer

[17:22]  JackZizzler Resident: QUESTION Elon Musk (and others) have set their sites on human habitation of Mars. How will the work of MSL and the other missions that have happened in recent years help to shape eventual colonization?

[17:25] ¬†Albert Gainsbourg: Look for a sing “Barzoom”.

[17:25]  Albert Gainsbourg: sign

[17:26]  Albert Gainsbourg: QUESTION: Is Mars far enough away from the Sun that UV radiation is reasonable with an Ozone layer?

[17:27]  Dae Miami: QUESTION: Will the dry tholeitic basalts really make for good soil?

[17:27]  Dae Miami: on mars

[17:29]  Albert Gainsbourg: QUESTION: Solar radiation or Cosmic?

[17:29]  Orendatrail Resident: QUESTION: Does Doug believe that he will live to see a human being standing on Mars?

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[17:30]  Patio Plasma: think about hawaiian weathered basalt re basalt soil. of course weathering will be different on Mars.

[17:30]  Albert Gainsbourg: A mere child.

[17:32]  Dae Miami: @ Patio: basalts on mars are different than on earth

[17:32]  Patio Plasma: HI Dae the results from curiosity from their first drilling were summarized by Grotzinger as similar to a Hawaiian basalt

[17:36]  Albert Gainsbourg: WITHOUT AN OZONE LAYER!!!!!

[17:36]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: Archivist Llewellyn, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[17:36]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: this month length:31  this day:8  wait time:2046300

[17:36]  Widget Whiteberry: Patio! Great model of Curiosity. TY for setting it out here

[17:36] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: audience right ….

[17:37]  AlanJBoyle Resident: Aha, gotcha, sorry Albert

[17:37]  Curious George: Spacesuits have a SPF of 1000

[17:38]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: Ozymandias Zehetbauer, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[17:38]  Patio Plasma: full scale model of Curiosity

[17:38] ¬†Kat Lemieux: We need one of those in the ISM’s Mars VR room!

[17:39]  Curious George: Charley White (aka Jet Burns) and friends are building a Curiosity-like rover to drive to the Burning Man

[17:39]  Widget Whiteberry: fun!

[17:40] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: my son will be a BM Ranger …. I’ll tell him to watch for it

[17:40] ¬†Curious George: I’d worry a lot more about the absence of oxygen and the ambient temperature than about the sunburn

[17:41]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: Kat Lemieux, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[17:41]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: Orendatrail Resident, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[17:42]  Abiss interior Barca Chair РWhite L whispers: Hi Larry Kondor! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.

[17:43]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: We need your donations to operate.

[17:43]  Widget Whiteberry: Orbiting tip jar courtesy of Albert G

[17:44]  JackZizzler Resident: Re: orbiting tip jar: *grin*

[17:45] ¬†Albert Gainsbourg: People left Europe for the “New World” with the complete understanding that it was one way.

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[17:46]  CB Axel: Good point, Albert

[17:46]  CB Axel: But the original explorers did do round trips.

[17:47]  Albert Gainsbourg: I suspect that Lewis and Clark though they were on a one way trip.

[17:47]  Curious George: And Americas do have a breathable atmosphere and the same temperature as Europe, so that metaphor is not so good

[17:50] ¬†JackZizzler Resident: It didn’t work out so well for the Portuguese nor for the Spaniards. Alas.

[17:50]  Kat Lemieux: Or for the Roanoke settlers

[17:50]  Kat Lemieux: or many of those at Jamestown

[17:51]  Kat Lemieux: But overall it did work out well

[17:51] ¬†Bau Ur: QUESTION: What are the likely implications for private space technology development of a iUS investment culture that emphasizes short¬†term stock value increases for shareholders who mostly don’t want to hold stocks for prolonged periods?

[17:51]  Curious George: And imagine if there was no air and the temperature was -100 Celsius

[17:51]  Abiss interior Barca Chair РWhite L whispers: Hi Ivan Hanriot! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.

[17:51] ¬†CB Axel: Woot! Let’s hear it for SL audiences!

[17:51] ¬†Bau Ur: Heh, he mostly just addressed that ūüôā

[17:51]  Archivist Llewellyn: Woot SL!

[17:51] ¬†Kat Lemieux: At least there’s (probably) not hostile indiginous residents on Mars!

[17:52]  Bau Ur: Skraelings.

[17:52]  Albert Gainsbourg: QUESTION: Can Doug see us?

[17:53] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: Albert, I’m pretty sure he can

[17:53]  Archivist Llewellyn: Yes, albert, that is his avatar

[17:53]  Albert Gainsbourg: Ahh. Ok. :=))

[17:53] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: betw me and Archivist, he’s been in SL a lot over 2 days

[17:53]  Widget Whiteberry: we covered camera

[17:53]  Albert Gainsbourg: Ok.

[17:54] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: Doug was in finance before writing ….

[17:54]  Albert Gainsbourg: Ahhh. Ok.

[17:55] ¬†JackZizzler Resident: I’m pretty sure I picked up a copy of Doug’s suit from YadNi’s emporium awhile back — a perennial classic!

[17:55]  Thuja Hynes: who will legitimize mining claims off world?

[17:55]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: DJ String, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[17:57]  Albert Gainsbourg: They oxidize Hydrogen Sulfide for energy.

[17:57]  Patio Plasma: better living through chemistry

[17:57] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: If you click on his book covers – on the backdrop – you’ll get to his site

[17:57]  Albert Gainsbourg: :=))

[17:58]  Bau Ur: The Extremophiles would be a great band name.

[17:58]  CB Axel: lol

[17:58]  Widget Whiteberry: and the twitter feeds are following both Alan and Doug

[17:58] ¬†Archivist Llewellyn: You can find his books and e-books on Amazon.com, Barnes and Noble, and Waterstone’s

[17:58] ¬†Curious George: The Jovian system also has plenty of carbohydrates, the moons get tidally squished (volcanos on Io), radiation belts to help¬†mutations… a good primordial soup

[17:59] ¬†Bau Ur: Wonderful. ūüôā

[18:00]  Thuja Hynes: thank you Doug!

[18:00]  Bau Ur: Thank you!

[18:00]  Bau Ur: Interesting show!

[18:00]  JackZizzler Resident: Great show!

[18:01]  CB Axel: excellent show. Thank you everyone involved.

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[18:01]  Patio Plasma: Thanks Doug!

[18:01]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: BDSommerville Resident, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[18:01]  Patio Plasma: Thanks Alan

[18:01]  Phineus Genesis: thanks guys

[18:01]  Kat Lemieux: Thanks, all! Great program

[18:01]  Exploratorium Tour Jar_1: Archivist Llewellyn, thank you for supporting Virtually Speaking. We are grateful for your support.

[18:01]  Curious George: Great show!

[18:01]  BDSommerville Resident: Thank you!

[18:01] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: they’ll stay around a bit

[18:02]  Dae Miami: @ Patio: basalts on mars are different than on earth

[18:02]  Archivist Llewellyn: Applause!

[18:02]  JackZizzler Resident: *clap* *clap* *clap*

[18:02]  Curious George: Bye, all, nice seeing you, virtually speaking

[18:02]  Dae Miami: sorry great discussion

[18:02]  AlanJBoyle Resident: A couple of questions are pending

[18:02]  Dae Miami: i meant to type

[18:03]  Albert Gainsbourg: Appropriate to end with My Favorite Martian. :=))

[18:03]  DougTurnbull Resident: I forgot the last question.

[18:04]  AlanJBoyle Resident: On the soil, I think there were a couple of comments that made good comparisons to Hawaiian basalt.

[18:04]  AlanJBoyle Resident: The Phoenix Mars Lander mission found perchlorates in the soil, which might be problematic for some crops.

[18:05]  AlanJBoyle Resident: But the Phoenix team said the soil would be really good for growing asparagus.

[18:05]  AlanJBoyle Resident: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25396378/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/test-shows-mars-soil-has-nutrients-life/

[18:05]  Archivist Llewellyn: Yes I believe NASA uses Hawaiian basalt for the mars soil simulant given to educators alan

[18:05] ¬†DougTurnbull Resident: Yes. I’m not a soil expert, but Curiosity will likely answer a lot of those questions. However, the base of volcanoes¬†is well known for having rich soil fro growing crops.

[18:05]  Patio Plasma: OK getting called to dinner great program Widget thanks

[18:06]  DougTurnbull Resident: Thank you for coming Patio Plasma.

[18:07] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: Someone was asking about land claims…

[18:07]  Thuja Hynes: me

[18:08]  Thuja Hynes: who will legitimize mining claims off-world

[18:08]  Thuja Hynes: ?

[18:08]  AlanJBoyle Resident: There was a whole discussion over whether land claims could be made, and who would legitimize thm.

[18:08] ¬†DougTurnbull Resident: Good question. My guest on Saturday’s podcast is an expert on Space Law.

[18:09]  Thuja Hynes: excellent I shall look for that

[18:09]  AlanJBoyle Resident: The Outer Space Treaty has been said to rule out land claims on other worlds, but some experts say they see loopholes.

[18:09]  AlanJBoyle Resident: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/could-legal-loophole-lead-land-claims-other-worlds-691258

[18:09] ¬†DougTurnbull Resident: Based on her interpretation of the treaties and there are 5 of them, it is all a common, like the sea. So you take it¬†out, and it’s yours, but the common belongs to everyone.

[18:10]  Thuja Hynes: if there is no native ecology on Mars, then do we allow willy-nilly mining and processing with complete disregard for pollyion?

[18:10] ¬†Kat Lemieux: Once there are settlers there, how will they feel about the “old world” dictating whether they can own property? I don’t think¬†such prohibitions will last more than a generation, if that.

[18:10] ¬†Thuja Hynes: that would be ironic considering MSL’s painstaking efforts to protect the native biosphere

[18:11] ¬†DougTurnbull Resident: Again, theoretically there will be a “regime” set in place to regulate such things, but who and how are not specified.

[18:11] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: Right, it’s an issue for “planetary protection”…

[18:11]  Thuja Hynes: pollyion = pollution lol

[18:11] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: But some scientists say there’s been so much cross-contaminiation over the past few billion years (due to meteorites)¬†that the planetary protection issue is moot.

[18:12]  DougTurnbull Resident: Yes, the settlers and their offspring will likely thumb their noses at the UN.

[18:12]  Thuja Hynes: good point Alan

[18:12]  DougTurnbull Resident: Yes. I agree. Contamination will likely be a non-issue.

[18:12]  AlanJBoyle Resident: Sounds like the Kim Stanley Robinson series, Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars

[18:13] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: I loved Robinson’s latest book, 2312.

[18:13]  DougTurnbull Resident: As they become less economically independent, they will not want Mother Earth telling them what to do.

[18:13]  AlanJBoyle Resident: that definitely gets into the planetary territoriality issue

[18:13]  You decline Seanchai Library @ Imagination Island from A group member named Caledonia Skytower.

[18:14] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: another take would be Heinlein’s classic, “The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.”

[18:14]  DougTurnbull Resident: History should always be the guide to the future. People will always act the same no matter where they are.

[18:14]  Albert Gainsbourg: As to the Space treaty, has anyone consulted Vulcan at 40 Eridani A,

[18:14] ¬†Kat Lemieux: Just like the American colonists vs British “companies” and Parliament.

[18:14] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: Paging Zefram Cochrane…

[18:14] ¬†Thuja Hynes: it seems as if Curiosity may have a “prior claim”

[18:15]  Thuja Hynes: in terms of prospecting

[18:15]  Kat Lemieux: Ah, invoking my GGGGgrandson!

[18:15]  Kat Lemieux: (my sons are both surnamed Cochrane(

[18:15]  DougTurnbull Resident: It has already extracted a sample, which now belongs to NASA/JPL/USA

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[18:16]  AlanJBoyle Resident: Speaking of Vulcan, I just saw this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLuP_90sabY

[18:16] ¬†Archivist Llewellyn: Lol Kat — Just a bit of a Trekkie?

[18:17]  Kat Lemieux: Who, me?

[18:17]  Kat Lemieux: I also once had a cat named Tribble

[18:17]  Archivist Llewellyn: woah! cute

[18:17]  DougTurnbull Resident: Funny clip alan.

[18:18] ¬†Widget Whiteberry: going into post production ….

[18:18] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: So, folks, I better get back to First Life … thanks for joining us, and congrats to Doug for a stellar debut in SL

[18:18] ¬†AlanJBoyle Resident: Now I’ll walk over some chairs and go poof.

[18:18]  DougTurnbull Resident: Thanks to all from me.

[18:18]  Kat Lemieux: Thanks for coming in world to speak to us!

[18:18] ¬†Albert Gainsbourg: Ewww that’s bad.

[18:19]  Albert Gainsbourg: Have to keep the GOP away from any landing site.

[18:19] ¬†DougTurnbull Resident: It’s a new world to me, but it was fun.

[18:19]  Thuja Hynes: welcome Doug!

[18:19]  Thuja Hynes: lots to learn in SL

[18:20]  DougTurnbull Resident: Yes. This place is wild.

[18:21] ¬†Albert Gainsbourg: Got to “fly” :=))

[18:21] ¬†DougTurnbull Resident: I guess, I’ll sign off as well.

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